RJ> Any one have an idea of the maximum practical recording level on a RJ> machine like this? Could it be used at 6 db over 250 nWb/m? RJ> Thanks, Bob_J This kind of question comes up frequently. It can be answered by measurements, if anyone has some simple lab equipment, and the time & ambition to do the measurements. It would be a great service to the recording community if someone would do it, and post the results, for the popular recorders. One could do all sorts of fancy measurements vs frequency and vs percent of distortion; and measurements to separate out where the distortion is occurring. But I think the following simple measurement would give the basic picture, and be a lot better than the present ignorance. I am assuming "one skilled in the art" is doing the measurements, since I have not by any means mentioned all of the possible booby traps. Also, this is only one of several ways that the measurement could be performed. (Sorry if this sounds like a patent specification!) Set up the reproducer with a Calibration Tape to some known reference fluxivity, and for flat response, correct azimuth, etc. Using an external voltmeter, set the repro gain so that the reference fluxivity produces a -20 dB level (that's 125 mV for the usual pro machines that put out 1.25 V for 0 dB on the vu meter). (This is so you can test the repro pre amp and the recording amp for overload, while not overloading the line-out amplifier.) First test the reproducing side: Feed a 1 kHz signal from an oscillator, thru a resistor (perhaps 50 kohms) into with the repro head (that is, by hooking it across the repro head output terminals). Look at the waveform at the line out terminals. Turn up the input voltage until the output waveform distorts (or clips); reduce the input voltage until that waveform is clean again. Measure the output voltage, and calculate the input fluxivity that overloads the pre-amp. Example: If a 250 nWm/m fluxivity gives 125 mV output; and the input signal that is "just clean" gives 2 V output, then the maximum input signal before overload is (2 V/125 mV) * 250 nWb/m = 4000 nWb/m. In this case, since the highest-output tapes put out a peak fluxivity of about 2500 nWb/m; and the measured overload was a peak value of 5600 nWb/m (that is, 4000 times root 2); you could easily use any tape without overloading this preamp. For the recording side: Choose the kind of blank tape you want measure -- a high-bias, high-output tape would be good for an "extreme" test; otherwise use whatever tape you're interested in. Set up the recorder's bias, recording gain, etc, as usual. Many recorders have a resistor in series with the return leg of the recording head for monitoring bias current. That can be used to monitor the recording current, without having to do any soldering-iron work. Put a 'scope across that resistor to monitor the recording head current waveshape. (You may also want to put a passive low-pass filter in series with the scope feed to cut the bias; a 3-dB point around 10 kHz would give about 20 dB attenuation at a 100 kHz bias frequency, and that would probably be enough; and would not seriously reduce the distortion of the 1 kHz signal.) Feed a 1 kHz audio signal into the recorder input, and look at the waveshape of the recording current. Measure that input voltage level for the normal recorded fluxivity. Turn up the oscillator output voltage until the wave distorts noticeably. Turn back down until it's just clean. Measure the input voltage level again. The difference in the levels is the "overhead margin" of the recording amplifier using this tape and recorded fluxivity. It should be at least 15 dB; better 20- to 25-dB. Another useful test while you're doing this: Look at the reproduced waveform when recording this maximum undistorted recording current. The RECORDED waveform should be distorted -- perhaps more-or-less a square wave. This shows that the tape overloads before the recording amp overloads. In fact, if you now reduce the input voltage until the recorded signal looks like a sine wave again, you can measure how much overload margin there is between the tape clipping and the recording amp clipping. That should be at least 6 dB -- 10 dB is better. In this case, it is clear that that the recorder is "good for" recording this tape. If the recording amp doesn't have at least 6 dB margin when the tape clips, it is NOT good for recording that tape. Jay McKnight -- Best regards, MRL mailto:mrltapes@flash.net